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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 24, 2012 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

The "overlap", if any exists, would be in improvisation; and judged by a jazz POV both groups would be found wanting.

The review mentions no Cream/Dead correlation. It was simply a trashing of the original "super group" by a punk-rocking musician wannabe hack writer, who as Sir William surmised was probably immersed in a vat of "sour grapes" at both the talent and popularity of the members of Cream while his own musical endeavors languished in the depths of the undiscovered.

And the comparable review is definitely by a narrow-minded hack wearing blinders to all but that which he endorses and/or manages.

However, isn't that what all "critics" appear to be to those who disagree with their critiques. Of course if one is of he same ilk, the critic may be thought to be a genius.

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Poster: steam locomotive Date: Mar 24, 2012 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

Cream comes up on this board on a semi-regular basis, hence my reference to overlap. I wasn't referring to the review per se.

Also, I was specifically referring to the Landau review. Landau is an interesting critic, having become Bruce Springsteen's manager relatively early in his career. So not only did he have an ear for talent, but was willing to put money on what he wrote.

I did think his review nailed Cream's improvisational shortcomings, i.e, that they simply play repeating patterns of musical phrases, rather than improvising melodically (and there are no real changes, so there's certainly not much going on harmonically). That's a significant difference from the Dead or the Allmans who use jams to tell a story, instead of adhering to the formula of blues cliches + chops + volume = rock and roll success.

Small wonder that Clapton didn't stick around, though I've never found Clapton a particularly compelling improviser in any format.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 24, 2012 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

Thx all--really appreciate the input.

Defn agree with those that note (har) that CREAM had much more "structure" and less subtle variation across jams, across years, compared with the DEAD, and other than both doing "jams", in no way meant to compare them (ie, rock bands of the 60s famous for long songs is the simple entry point for me).

I'll just add that famous quote from Mickey to Jerry at a CREAM show: "...this is the BEST fricking band in the world!" to which Jerry replied "...they are tonight...", which minimally shows they thought some about them...and in some positive fashion, minimally.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Mar 24, 2012 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

As Fred would say, "Y'elcome."